ya i will get a pictrue up as soon as i can i will describe the buck real quick cause in the pic i have you cant see some of his points because they are on the _base_ he has a 4 by 3 main _frame_ on the 4 point side he has a 1 in kicker plus eye guard and 3 stickers on the _base_ on the 3 side he has a 11 in kicker in the back with a 3 in kicker off of that plus eye guard and a sticker on the _base_ and usually on deer i would use my 243 short but i forgot my bullets when i killed this buck but luckily i had grabbed my 300 mag as a back up so thats what i killed him with